Debate between Maharishi Sarvanand and Supreme God Kabir

Scriptural Discussion between Maharishi Sarvanand and Supreme God Kabir (KavirDev)

Maharishi Sarvanand's revered mother, Shrimati Sharda Devi, was suffering from the consequences of her past sinful deeds. Despite years of rituals, incantations, and medicines from doctors, she found no relief. The Maharishis of her time told her that the suffering was a result of actions from a previous life, which could not be undone. They cited the story of God Shri Ram, who faced the repercussions of killing Bali, leading to Bali’s reincarnation as a hunter who later killed Shri Krishna.

Amid her struggles, Sharda Devi, at a relative's urging, received initiation from Supreme God Kabir (KavirDev), who had manifested in Kashi. That very day, she was liberated from her suffering. The Holy Yajurved states in Chapter 5, Verse 32, "Kaviranghariasi," meaning Kabir is the enemy of sins. Similarly, in Chapter 8, Verse 13, it mentions that God eradicates heinous sins.

Lord KavirDev informed Sharda, “Daughter, this happiness was not in your fate. I have granted it to you from my storehouse, proving my power to destroy sins. Your son Maharishi Sarvanand believes that God cannot forgive sins! You should take initiation from me for your welfare.” By receiving this initiation from Supreme God Kabir, Sharda achieved her liberation.

Eager to showcase his victories in scriptural debates, Maharishi Sarvanand had bested all contemporary scholars. He approached his mother, asking her to rename him Sarvajit, meaning “conqueror of all.” His mother questioned if Sarvanand was a bad name, to which Sarvanand replied, "Mother, I have defeated all learned men; I want a name that reflects my victories."

However, Sharda Devi responded, "Defeat one more scholar, my Guru Maharaj KavirDev, and I will rename you Sarvajit immediately." Sarvanand laughed at his mother’s remark, dismissing Kabir as illiterate, and confidently declared, “I will go and come back soon.”

Maharishi Sarvanand loaded all the scriptures onto an ox and approached KavirDev's (Supreme God Kabir) hut. There, he first met Kabir's adopted daughter, Kamali, at the well. She greeted him, saying, "Welcome, Maharishi Ji, to the home of Param Pita Kabir." Sarvanand asked her to fill his pot to the brim, cautioning her to carry it carefully. He instructed, "Daughter, take this pot to Kabir and tell me whatever answer he gives."

When Kamali presented the pot to Kabir, he immersed a large sewing needle into it, causing some water to spill onto the ground. Kabir then instructed Kamali to return the pot to Sarvanand.

Upon her return, Sarvanand asked Kamali, "What answer did Kabir give?" She recounted the incident with the needle. Sarvanand then turned to Kabir, asking, "What answer did you give to my question?" Kabir replied, "What was your question?"

Shri Sarvanand Maharishi Ji declared, "I have defeated all the scholars in scriptural debates and requested my mother to rename me Sarvajit. She stated she would do so only after I defeat you. The purpose of sending this brimful pot is to illustrate that I am filled to capacity with knowledge, just as this pot is with water. No more water can enter; it can only spill out. Engaging in a discussion with me will yield no benefit, as your knowledge cannot penetrate my understanding. Therefore, acknowledge your defeat; it is for your own benefit."

Venerable Supreme God Kabir (KavirDev) explained, "The act of placing an iron needle into your brimful pot signifies that my knowledge (Tatvgyan) is so profound that, just as the needle sinks to the bottom after displacing the water, my Tatvgyan will permeate your heart by displacing your false knowledge (lokved)."

Maharishi Sarvanand Ji replied, "Ask your question." Seeing a respected scholar in the weaver's colony, the nearby innocent and illiterate weavers gathered to listen to the scriptural debate. Venerable KavirDev then posed his question:

Maharishi Sarvanand Ji responded, "Shri Brahma Ji embodies Rajogun, Shri Vishnu Ji embodies Satgun, and Shri Shiv Ji embodies Tamgun. These three are Ajar-Amar, meaning immortal, Sarveshwar (God of all Gods), Maheshwar (the Greatest God), and Mrityunjay (the conqueror of death). They have no mother or father. Your ignorance regarding the scriptures is evident; your question is absurd." The audience applauded and supported Maharishi Sarvanand Ji's assertion.

Venerable God Kabir (KavirDev) Ji instructed, "Maharishi Ji, read and recite the translation of the third Skand of Shrimad Devi Bhagwat Puran and the sixth and seventh Rudra Sanhita Adhyay of Shri Shiv Puran, invoking God as a witness and placing your hand on the Gita Ji." Maharishi Sarvanand Ji took an oath, affirming he would narrate it accurately.

Following Lord Kabir's guidance, he carefully read the Holy Puranas. In the Shri Shiv Puran (published by Gita Press Gorakhpur, translated by Shri Hanuman Prasad Poddar), pages 100-103, it is stated that the union (husband-wife act) between SadaShiv (Kaal-form Brahm) and Prakriti (Durga) led to the birth of Satgun Shri Vishnu Ji, Rajgun Shri Brahma Ji, and Tamgun Shri Shiv Ji. This very Prakriti, known as Ashtangi, is referred to as Tridevjanni, the mother of the three gods (Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiv Ji).

The Third Skand of the Holy Shrimad Devi Puran (published by Gita Press Gorakhpur, translated by Shri Hanuman Prasad Poddar and Chiman Lal Goswami) clearly states on pages 114-123 that God Vishnu Ji acknowledges Prakriti (Durga) as the mother of the three gods. Recalling his childhood, Shri Vishnu Ji praises Mother Durga, saying, "Oh Mother, I (Vishnu), Brahma, and Shiv are perishable; we are subject to birth (aavirbhaav) and death (tirobhaav). You are Prakriti Devi."

God Shankar adds, "Oh Mother, if Brahma and Vishnu have originated from you, then I, Shankar, have also come from you; you are my mother too."

Maharishi Sarvanand Ji, relying on incomplete hearsay knowledge contrary to scripture, described Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiv as imperishable and Ajanma (without birth). Although he read the Puranas, he remained ignorant. The Holy Gita states that Brahm (Kaal) is the intelligence of all living beings within his twenty-one Brahmands and can grant knowledge or ignorance at will.

After hearing the Supreme God's statement, Sarvanand Ji felt the pressure of Kaal (Brahm) lift and realized the truth of the scriptures. However, fearing disrespect, he claimed, "I have read everything; nowhere is this written." He accused KavirDev (Kabir God) of lying and asserted, "What do you know about scriptures? We read them every day." He then began to speak in Sanskrit for twenty minutes, reciting passages from memory, but did not reference the Puranas.

The innocent listeners, unable to comprehend Sanskrit, were so impressed by Maharishi Sarvanand Ji that they began to chant, "Wah Wah! Mahagyani!" effectively declaring Supreme God Kabir (KavirDev) defeated and Sarvanand Ji victorious.

In response, the venerable Supreme God Kabir (KavirDev) Ji remarked, "Sarvanand, you took an oath on the Holy Gita and have forgotten it. When you refuse to accept the truth presented in the scriptures, it means I lose and you win."

A farmer's son, in seventh grade and having learned a bit of English, was traveling with his father in a bullock cart when they encountered an Englishman who asked for directions in English. The father encouraged his son to respond, saying, "Show him your English skills and take him down a peg."

The boy recited an application for sick leave instead, confusing the Englishman, who, irritated by the irrelevant response, tapped his forehead and drove away. Proud of his son, the farmer said, "Well done! You've bested an Englishman today."

The son replied, "Father, I also remember my essay on 'My Best Friend.' If I'd recited that, the Englishman would have fled in terror!"

In a similar vein, while KavirDev Ji asks one thing, Sarvanand Ji responds with something entirely different. Such misunderstandings in scriptural debates have led to many broken homes.

Most Venerable Supreme God Kabir (KavirDev) said, "Sarvanand Ji, you win and I lose." Sarvanand Ji replied, "I need it in writing; I don't leave things incomplete." God Kabir agreed, "You may write whatever you wish, and I will provide my thumbprint."

Maharishi Sarvanand wrote, "In the scriptural debate, Sarvanand won and Kabir Sahib lost," and obtained God Kabir's thumbprint. He then returned to his mother, exclaiming, "Mother, see the proof of my victory!"

Bhaktmati Sharda Ji asked, "Son, read it aloud." Upon reading, Sarvanand discovered it stated, "In the scriptural debate, Sarvanand lost and God Kabir won." His mother said, "You claimed victory, but you have lost!"

Sarvanand Ji protested, "Mother, I’ve been debating for so long that I must have made a mistake due to fatigue. I’ll correct it." She insisted, "I will only accept written proof of your victory."

Sarvanand returned to Kabir Ji, saying, "There was an error in my writing; I need to write again." Kabir Ji replied, "Write again." After re-writing and obtaining another thumbprint, Sarvanand returned to his mother, only to find the same contradiction.

Determined, he went a third time. This time, before entering the house, he read the new proof and saw that it was correctly written. Yet, as he walked inside, the words changed again, stating, "In the scriptural debate, Sarvanand lost and Kabir Sahib won."

Unable to speak, Sarvanand's mother urged, "Son, why are you silent? Read what it says."

The mother knew her ignorant child was about to challenge a formidable force. She advised Sarvanand, "Son, God has arrived. Go, bow at His feet, ask for forgiveness, and receive initiation to make your life successful."

Sarvanand Ji, overwhelmed with emotion, pleaded, "Mother, this is God Himself. Please come with me; I feel embarrassed." His mother accompanied him to God Kabir, facilitating Sarvanand's initiation from the Supreme God.

It was then that this so-called Maharishi attained salvation by surrendering to Purna Parmatma (Complete God). God Kabir (KavirDev) remarked, "Sarvanand, you misunderstood the scriptures, for without coming into my refuge, Brahm (Kaal) doesn't allow anyone’s intellect to fully develop. Now, read the Holy Vedas, Holy Gita, and Holy Puranas anew. You have become a Brahman. 'Brahman soii Brahm pahchaane'—only one who recognizes God is truly learned and achieves their welfare."

Important:

550 years ago, Supreme God Kabir (KavirDev) imparted knowledge from the Holy Vedas, Holy Gita, and Holy Puranas in simple language. However, the maharishis of that time and thereafter dismissed his teachings as riddled with grammatical errors, claiming, "Kabir is ignorant; he is illiterate. What does he know about the hidden secrets written in Sanskrit? We are learned. Our interpretations are aligned with the scriptures, stating that Shri Brahma Ji, Shri Vishnu Ji, and Shri Shiv Ji have no mother or father. They are Ajanma (never born), Ajar-Amar (immortal), Avinashi (eternal), Sarveshwar (God of all Gods), Maheshwar (Greatest Gods), and Mrityunjay (victors over death). They are the creators of nature and embody the three gunas."

This narrative persisted until now. Yet, we possess the same Holy Scriptures that explicitly describe the origins of the three Gods (Shri Brahma Ji as Rajgun, Shri Vishnu Ji as Satgun, and Shri Shiv Ji as Tamgun). Our ancestors were often illiterate, and the educated class lacked comprehensive knowledge of the scriptures. Still, they deliberately misrepresented the true teachings of Supreme God Kabir (KavirDev), asserting that he lied about the existence of a mother and father for these deities.

In contrast, the Holy Puranas affirm that Shri Brahma Ji, Shri Vishnu Ji, and Shri Shiv Ji are born and die; they are not immortal. Their mother is Prakriti (Durga), and their father is Jyoti Niranjan/Kaal-form Brahm.

Today, the entire human society—brothers, sisters, children, adults, and the elderly—are educated. No one can mislead others by claiming that what is written in the sacred teachings of Supreme God Kabir (KavirDev) is absent from the scriptures.

Sacred Speech of Venerable God Kabir (KavirDev): -

In the aforementioned sacred discourse, Supreme God Kabir Ji addresses His disciple, Shri Dharmdas Ji, saying that the entire world is confused due to a lack of Tattavgyan (true spiritual knowledge). Few understand the path to complete salvation or the full nature of creation. Thus, He shares the story of creation.

Wise individuals will grasp this quickly, but those resistant to evidence are under the influence of Kaal and are unworthy of devotion. Kabir Ji then explains the origin of the three gods—Brahma Ji, Vishnu Ji, and Shiv Ji. Their mother is Ashtangi (Durga), and their father is Jyoti Niranjan (Brahm/Kaal). Brahm first emerged from an egg, followed by Durga. Attracted to her beauty, Kaal misbehaved with Durga, who then sought refuge in his womb.

Kabir Ji intervened, extracting Bhavani (Durga) from Brahm’s belly and sending them 16 sankh kos away, along with the 21 brahmands. Jyoti Niranjan then united with Prakriti Devi (Durga), resulting in the birth of the three gunas: Brahma Ji (Rajgun), Vishnu Ji (Satgun), and Shiv Ji (Tamgun). All living beings remain ensnared in Kaal's trap by worshipping these three gunas. Without the real mantra, how can one achieve complete salvation?